If you go with me…
July 2nd, 2010 by Kristi Stephens

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What happens when the men God calls won’t lead? This question is one of the most frequently raised when I’ve been in groups of women discussing female versus male roles in leadership. The story of Deborah is often used as an example of a female leader interchangeable with men… rightly so? Let’s take a closer look.
The first three verses of chapter 4 show that our pattern is repeating again:
Step One: After Ehud died, the Israelites once again did evil in the eyes of the LORD.
Step Two: So the LORD sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years,
Step Three: they cried to the LORD for help.
So, then step four will follow: God will raise a judge to deliver them.
The first interesting thing is that the judge at this time is Deborah. Importantly, Deborah is referred to as a judge, but she calls Barak and tells him that God has called him to deliver the people from the oppression of Sisera.
Deborah is not the same type of judge as the other main characters in this book – she is described as a prophetess, and although the same word for “judge” is used for her as many of the other judges, she was not in a warfare/deliverer role. God has called a man to fill the role of deliverer.
However, when Barak is told that God wants to use him as the deliverer of Israel, he refuses to do it alone!
She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The LORD, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor. I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’” Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.” (4:6-8)
Why does he want Deborah to come with him? Notice that Deborah is just the mouthpiece – she is simply delivering a message to Barak from the Lord. It is GOD who promised to lure Sisera, it is GOD who promised to deliver him into Barak’s hands. But Barak is seeing with human eyes – he directs his request for “back-up” to Deborah, not to God. The wording here reminds me of something we heard Moses say back in Exodus, but in very different circumstances – he, too, was begging for Someone to go with him.
Now therefore, I pray You, if I have found favor in Your sight, let me know Your ways that I may know You, so that I may find favor in Your sight. Consider too, that this nation is Your people.” Then he said to Him, “If Your presence does not go with us, do not lead us up from here...” Then Moses said, “I pray You, show me Your glory!” (Exodus 33:15-18, NASB)
Through a long process of being taught and refined by the Lord, Moses had been transformed in God’s presence. He understood that if all else failed, he just wanted to be in the presence of God! If Barak really understood what it meant that “The LORD, the God of Israel, commands you,” there is no way he’d be depending on Deborah.
I firmly believe that God made male and female with very different roles. Some have asked if Deborah was acting as judge and prophetess because a male was not close enough to God to fill that role. I’ll leave that for you to chew on as I have no clear answer on that from the text! However, it IS clear that Deborah wasn’t meant to be in battle gear leading the army – that was Barak’s job. His lack of courage and commitment apart from his female counterpart is evidence of a lack of faith in God, not an argument in favor of a feminist interpretation of Scripture.
Deborah continues to function in this account as a cheerleader of sorts, urging Barak to believe God and obey. She tells Barak that she will accompany him, but that the honor will not be his.
So, do I believe that women can lead? Yes, I believe we CAN. I don’t think it’s best. I think there are situations in which God uses women to influence His people in the right direction – and if they are godly women they try very hard to hand the reins over to male leadership. When those men refuse, God can choose to use women to carry out His plan… but I believe this story is an illustration of the fact that this is not a good situation – it will have negative ramifications for individuals and for the group as a whole.
Because Barak refused to believe God and obey in faith, a woman was forced into battle, and another woman ended up being the one to kill Sisera. And as we’ll discuss tomorrow, it’s never a good sign for society when women are nailing people to the ground with tent pegs!


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March 15th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
[...] relate to the main theme? Not a whole lot new, here – we pretty much covered it in “Women and their Deadly Nails.” We’ve got a woman hefting a millstone off the city tower, and a man so ashamed to be [...]
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
Oh Deborah! One of the egalitarians’ favorite biblical women but she is clearly not what they make her out to be.
I love your point, “His lack of courage and commitment apart from his female counterpart is evidence of a lack of faith in God, not an argument in favor of a feminist interpretation of Scripture.” I really appreciate your treatment of this passage!
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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Very interesting! Your interpretation of Scripture seems very sound and logical. I guess my question is how do we define ‘leading’? Can women teach men in the church if a male pastor oversees? Can women lead small groups in mixed company? I agree with your interpretation of Scripture; I’m just not sure how God would answer some of these questions (and there are more in my head I haven’t listed! :) )
July 2nd, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Oh, the ink that has been spilled debating those questions!! I think it’s clear in Scripture that men are to be in positions of spiritual authority – we’re not interchangeable. As far as the rest goes, I’m still sorting through all of that myself! ;)
July 3rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
[...] Yesterday we began looking at the account of Deborah and Barak. Today we turn our attention to the continuation of this story. Remember that Deborah told Barak that because he won’t go without her, the honor of killing Sisera will be given to a woman. Enter Jael and her deadly nails. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, “Come, my Lord , come right in. Don’t be afraid.” So he entered her tent, and she put a covering over him. “I’m thirsty,” he said. “Please give me some water.” She opened a skin of milk, gave him a drink, and covered him up. “Stand in the doorway of the tent,” he told her. “If someone comes by and asks you, ‘Is anyone here?’ say ‘No.’ ” But Jael, Heber’s wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died. (4:18-21) [...]
July 5th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
[...] After taking a look at Deborah and whether or not her role argues for men and women being interchangeable in ministry, we’re back to the story. Deborah tells Barak that because he won’t go without her, the honor of killing Sisera will be given to a woman. Enter Jael and her deadly nails. Jael went out to meet Sisera and said to him, “Come, my Lord , come right in. Don’t be afraid.” So he entered her tent, and she put a covering over him. “I’m thirsty,” he said. “Please give me some water.” She opened a skin of milk, gave him a drink, and covered him up. “Stand in the doorway of the tent,” he told her. “If someone comes by and asks you, ‘Is anyone here?’ say ‘No.’ ” But Jael, Heber’s wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the peg through his temple into the ground, and he died. (4:18-21) [...]